Ever struggled with breaking free from old patterns, particularly when it comes to finding comfort in food instead of turning to God? In today's episode, we dive into the complexities of our brains, including our logical thinking and survival instincts, and how these factors contribute to forming difficult-to-break patterns. We also consider how the power the Word of God has to guide us towards freedom from these habits.
Join us as we invite God into those challenging moments when our emotions drive us to seek solace in old patterns. We discuss the power of the Holy Spirit, practicing gratitude and praise, and the importance of recognizing the truth. We wrap up by addressing the fears associated with surrendering to God's will in our lives and the core beliefs that may prevent us from taking that leap of faith. Don't miss out on this enlightening conversation and the chance to break free from old patterns for a life of true surrender to God.
Learn more about our Revelation Within Community: https://www.revelationwithin.org
Ever struggled with breaking free from old patterns, particularly when it comes to finding comfort in food instead of turning to God? In today's episode, we dive into the complexities of our brains, including our logical thinking and survival instincts, and how these factors contribute to forming difficult-to-break patterns. We also consider how the power the Word of God has to guide us towards freedom from these habits.
Join us as we invite God into those challenging moments when our emotions drive us to seek solace in old patterns. We discuss the power of the Holy Spirit, practicing gratitude and praise, and the importance of recognizing the truth. We wrap up by addressing the fears associated with surrendering to God's will in our lives and the core beliefs that may prevent us from taking that leap of faith. Don't miss out on this enlightening conversation and the chance to break free from old patterns for a life of true surrender to God.
Learn more about our Revelation Within Community: https://www.revelationwithin.org
Hi and welcome to our podcast Revelation Within on the Go. I'm Heidi Biles-Mapperson, one of your hosts and the owner and lead coach of the revelationwithincom ministry.
Speaker 2:Ooh, you did it. Heidi, our new name, and it sounds so good. Let's see, yay, we do Yay. And I am Christina Motley, your other host Also a revelation within coach and Heidi's partner in all things, revelation Within. We are so excited to have you with us today for this episode of our podcast, revelation Within on the Go. I think I did it, did I do it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it. You're putting us around a lot Whoo-hoo.
Speaker 1:Well, I've been talking with Christina a little bit about something that's going through my mind quite a bit, and it's both in conversations with people and also just my own mind. That's scary. We're going to talk today a little bit about you know, we want to change. We want so much to change. We want to honor God, We want to draw closer to Him, to build our intimacy with Him. We get this idea that we use other things to comfort us. We use other things to give us pleasure other than Him, specifically food. That's what we've been talking about for years. Why is it so hard to change this behavior, this food and eating behavior that we know we're going to it for the things God calls us to come to Him for? He wants to be my comforter, He wants to be the one I turn to when I'm excited, happy, sad, mad, glad all of those things that I keep turning to food and eating. Why is that so difficult to change? What do you think, Christina?
Speaker 3:Oh, such a good question, heidi. Such a good question. I have all kinds of little thoughts swimming around in my mind, but the first one that comes to my mind is that you know what I grew up in the church, i mean as a little girl, as a school age child, as a teenager. Lots and lots of Sunday school and small groups and gatherings, and I've heard a million bazillion sermons by my studies. All of it right, but I don't think, if I think back, i mean I really just don't think that this area is addressed very often in a lot of churches, and certainly not in my upbringing. I can't speak for everyone, of course. I can just speak for myself, but when I think about areas that I have struggled with, when have I talked about that with somebody at church? really? I mean, we talk a lot in generalities, i think in church?
Speaker 1:Yeah, we talk about.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and grace and hope and forgiveness and all the wonderful, wonderful, good, good things, but do we really talk about the how? How do we get out of our old patterns? How do we get out? How do we break those strongholds? And of course the answer is we don't. God does, but how? What are the steps that I need to take? I mean, i do not feel like that's been part of my kind of upbringing as a Christian woman.
Speaker 1:I don't know, Heidi.
Speaker 3:What do you think?
Speaker 1:Well, i think one of the things that really gets in our way is there are some reasons that I am wired, perhaps, to struggle with this and bear with me a minute As I try to explain it. One of the things I've become aware of over the last few years is some of the things related to trauma And we've talked a little bit about that but also the way the brain works, and God has made us fearfully and wonderfully, and one of the things that he's given us is a brain that has two real big functions. Obviously, there's a million functions, but we have a brain that's wired to think logically and a brain that's wired to think for survival, and I think what has happened is so often when we want to change a longstanding behavior, there's something inside of us that takes the logical brain offline and the not so logical survival brain comes online and says, oh my gosh, no, you're threatening my survival Because it's the way life has always been. So if I have struggled with overeating and it's been a pattern to go to food with my emotions instead of to God, when I have a difficult situation, stress in my life, and I go to food, i have basically taught myself my brain. I've taught my brain let's not think logically in these moments, because logic would tell me I don't need more food. And instead I'm thinking with a different, different part of my brain and I'm kind of laying that pattern down, that rut, if you will, and it's a rut that's going to take me to food again and again when I'm feeling in some way threatened or challenged or wounded or whatever it might be. So I get to that place, especially decades into this, which you know I'm decades into this My brain says oh my gosh, you can't feed me less food. I'm threatened when you do that. I don't know, that's sort of what do you think? I mean, does that like resonate for you at all? That's OK if it's not.
Speaker 3:Well, definitely the part about the patterns. Wow, i mean, when I look at my life and how long I've been doing the same things, you know. And of course, the word of God talks about old patterns and talks about, you know, being able to somehow break free of those, and it does seem like the old patterns draw me kind of like a magnet sometimes, like it's definitely my default. And even after so many years of renewing my mind and working on breaking free in the Lord's strength and surrendering to him, it still becomes my default. I still see it there, i feel it, i feel the draw, the comfort of my old patterns. And I know that we all struggle with that. And, heidi, you and I have coached with so many women who struggle with this very thing And you know we'll have people come to us and say OK, so how long do you think this is going to take?
Speaker 2:I've heard that a lot in the last few months, You know.
Speaker 3:I'll have to call with someone and they'll say, OK, I'm going to sign up, But how long do you think this will take? And it's like, oh my gosh, you know what? Everybody is so different And it's not a one and done. This is something that is a part of our walk with the Lord. It's a part of living in a broken world. It's a part of living in this crazy earth on our way to heaven, where it's not our home. We're just passing through, But we have to really deal with this every day in some way, Otherwise we just fall very easily into those old patterns. So I know that's true for me absolutely. And my old patterns involve a lot of thoughts, a lot of how I'm thinking, what I'm spending my time thinking about.
Speaker 1:And, as we've said, bazillion, trillion, 900 million times, what we think about is going to form and shape our beliefs and what we believe will affect our actions. And so, if we want new actions, we've got to back up. What are my beliefs that are driving my actions And what am I thinking about that will change my beliefs Really? when we put that in line, our desires will change. But and we come back to what I was just saying a minute ago there is something inside of me that resists at all costs, something totally not logical And yet it masquerades as logic. It makes me think, yeah, i need to have this, whatever it is to eat, even though I'm not hungry and even though I know going to God for my comfort would make more sense right now. There is something that flips a switch inside of me And so, really, when I think about the way that God has made us and he's got us wired for Shalom, really we are wired for Shalom. And I just want to give a definition for Shalom right now, And that comes from Christie McClellan's Gospel on the Ground Bible Study, which so far I'm just a little ways into it and I love it, but she says Shalom is a place of wholeness, flourishing, harmony and delight. It sounds wonderful doesn't it, and I really believe God has wired us for that, and that's why, when we are operating in a peaceful state, our parasympathetic nervous system is online, and that is where we tend to metabolize our food really well. We absorb nutrients, we can take deep breaths, we can be at peace in our own skin, and yet there's always going to be that tendency to fly into that sympathetic nervous system response that says, oh my gosh, we're going to die if you do this. Oh my gosh, we need to get the cortisol flowing through the system, because you never know when we won't be attacked by a lion or an evil person or something, and we are wired for Shalom, though, and the fact that we operate best when we are in a calmer place it really demonstrates that. Whether it's I want to change how I treat food in my life or the way I relate to my body, i think it's something completely different from that. If I want to change the way I think and I know there's lots of good strategies for that we've talked about a bazillion of them. We're knowing my mind there is a part of me that, and I kind of think it's the flesh that is ready to panic and fly off the handle and say but if you change the way you think, then I won't be safe. It's fascinating to me that God has given us that system inside of us to be protective And in fact it can release all kinds of neurotransmitters to help us take action to be safe.
Speaker 3:Well, one of the biggest things that comes to mind, too, as we talk about this and what pulls me, what draws me in different directions, what is it that I struggle with and battle with? A big one for me is my emotions, and that's been something that I have struggled really my whole life And I again, i feel like this is not really something that is taught in a way that helps specifically. What do I do with my sadness? What do I do with my disappointment? What do I do with my anger? What do I do with stress, with overwhelm, with a need for rest? What do I do with those things? I mean, that is something I feel like it's so important And that's something that I'm kind of hungry for. Is that information, like somebody, helped me with this? And coming into thin within now, revelation within, reading the materials, the Bible studies, walking through all of that and then bringing in mind renewal, has really helped me, for the first time in my life, i think, to deal with emotions in a healthy way. I still feel the pull of my old patterns, especially when emotions are really really big, when I am really deeply grieving or something has happened that has shaken me to my core Absolutely. But that piece of emotions and of course you know, god made us in his own image. God has emotions, god created emotions. I don't want to sweep them under the rug, i don't want to pretend I don't have them, i don't want to say I'm fine, i'm fine all the time. I want to invite God into those. But just that whole idea of why is the pull so strong? Why does my default come up in such a strong, powerful way, when my emotions are so strong And there's a real connection there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it would be really great for all of us, when we find that happening, to be compassionately curious to ask God. hmm, could you show me why I want to engage in this eating behavior, for instance? or it might be a restrictive eating behavior, where I'm choosing not to eat when I need to eat. What is it that I'm hoping this will give to me, and can you show me, god, what it is I really need? And in those moments it could be, at least I've been taught by some people much wiser than me that it might be that I can only come up with some possible options. I may not feel like I can choose one of those options just yet, but it's coming, it's coming. There's a time coming when I will. And so, again, my brain may think that I'm threatening my own survival by thinking of doing something different in those moments other than the default. You know, the default is the default because I've done it so much.
Speaker 2:Right, and that's a rut.
Speaker 1:What I want to do is establish a rut of righteousness, a new rut.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And so that there's a new pattern, and it's a pattern that supports my desire to honor God and to build my intimacy with him. Yes, yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, and then there's this amazing, amazing piece, this amazing concept called the Holy Spirit. Yeah, he's more than a concept, he is God. And then there's this whole piece of adding in gratitude and praise, which absolutely blows me out of the water every time, because it doesn't really feel like it makes sense that praise and lifting up my praises to the Lord would make such a difference that that would lessen the pull of the default in such a powerful way, and gratitude as well, being able to say God, thank you for this and this, and you did this and you did that. Thank you so much. Those are spiritual mysteries, really, things that God has given us very clearly in his word. He talks about these kinds of things. You know, come to me, praise me, thank me in all things. He talks about it all over the place, and there's a good reason for that. He knows that this is part of our journey toward transformation and lasting change and being able to let go of that old pull, the old patterns, the old defaults. Without the Spirit's power, i don't think we're going to be getting anywhere.
Speaker 1:I don't either. What can be a really good idea for us when we feel drawn to those old patterns is being compassionately curious, inviting God into that And then looking at What is true. Am I safe, in case your survival brain is the one doing the thinking and your logic brain is not. See if you can just take a moment to look around your environment, to listen to your environment and what is true? Are you safe? Are you truly being threatened? This may sound like overkill or really silly in some ways, but it can be super helpful too And, as you do, giving God gratitude, like Christina was talking about for thank you that I have this place to do my work Each day. I'm safe. I have a roof over my head, a dog at my feet and it all is really well with my soul. I've got water coming out of the faucet. I mean there's really no threat here And if I feel a little bit emotionally unsteady, i can ask God to show me what does it mean that you are my hiding place? Because I'm safe in him And really kind of allow myself to get steeped in understanding who God is as my hiding place as my strong tower And see if that doesn't minister to that place in my heart. That is a little concerned. Maybe that I'm walking right into a deep pit that's going to threaten my survival. That's causing me, whatever is causing me, to want to grab for that behavior. That is the default that isn't supportive of my deeper desire to honor God and to draw into closer intimacy with Him.
Speaker 3:Well, one of my favorite mind renewal tools that's kind of a newer one in the last few months is everything important is still in place, and that's kind of what you were just talking about, heidi, that sense of you know what everything feels crazy and chaotic. In this moment I am having one of those moments where five things have happened at once. It's crazy. I just I feel overwhelmed. But wait a minute, stop, if I can stop for a minute. What is important? Really in the scheme of things, god is still God. I am still His girl. Everything that is important is still in place, and that's been a huge one, a huge one for me And, i know, for a lot of the people that we work with, because you know how that is when something comes up, you get that phone call, or there's that emergency at work, you have a panic over your daughter. You don't know where she is, or you know different thing, or you get a phone call about your health that just knocks you off your feet. I need to remember that what is important is still in place. Like you said, heidi, it is well with my soul. I'm really okay. I need to go to the Lord with all of this and ask him for all that. I need Ask him for my peace, my calm, my provision.
Speaker 2:I'm going to be okay.
Speaker 3:I'm actually okay in the midst of this chaos And that helps me so much not to fall back into my old pattern of going to food. It's just food.
Speaker 1:It can't help me at all In the moment of the temptation, where I'm getting ready to grab for in my case it's overeating, not under eating, not typically. Anyway, i'm preparing to go after that behavior In that moment. I know that renewing my mind would make a world of difference. I know praying would make a world of difference. I know giving gratitude to God would make a world of difference. I know that I could look at my truth cards, all those great tools that we teach in Mind Renewal 101 and beyond. I know that would all help and probably get me off the path that I'm preparing to take to overeat, but but I won't do them. Why, see, that's kind of what I really want to get at today. I want to chip away at why, if I know that those things that are going to help me, i know they're right there for me, i know God's right there for me, i know He is reaching to me, saying come to me if you're weary and heavy laden and I will give you rest for your soul. And there's that second part of that verse that we were quoting in one of our classes yesterday. But you would not. He won't come. Why won't I come in that moment? Why won't I come? And I really do think there's something in that moment that wants to grab for what's familiar, because I feel threatened in some way And it's not just food and eating behaviors, it can be anytime. We are challenged to change, like we're challenged to keep our mouth shut instead of ripping a new one for our kids or our spouse or whatever. Why do I still want to say it, even though I know it's not going to make it better, and I think there's something almost primal. It's like I know my life depends on eating that or saying that or doing that. That's not true.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:I just wonder what can we, what can be done so that I have that resistance less and surrender more in those moments of decision, those really tough moments.
Speaker 3:Well, this is something that you taught me, heidi, so I'm going to answer this question. It's renewing your mind and practicing when you're not in that moment. Basically, it's practice, it's practice, it's practice, it's practice. And so when those moments come, i have run those truths and those thoughts through my mind so many times that I'm ready And I'm not. I'm not saying the pull isn't strong. It is strong at times. It surprises me after all these years that it's still that strong in me at times. But if I have spent that time, if I have put in that time with the Lord, renewing my mind, with his thoughts and his truth more and more, i can stop in that moment and say wait a minute, everything that is important is still in place. God, you are still God, right in this moment. You are And I still am being provided for. You are still close and you're at work And all of those things. I usually will go through a list of who God is and you know what he is busy doing. It helps me to remember, especially when I'm not feeling it. I might be the thoughts that I'm thinking in that moment. Is God, where are you? Where are you? What's happening with you? I'm suffering here I'm struggling. Help me with this. And the more that I practice to do that when I'm not feeling that way, the more that it comes when I am.
Speaker 1:And yet I'm playing the devil's advocate. No, no devil here. I wonder how many times have we heard our participants and I know how often do I say this How often have we heard our participants say I just don't want to renew my mind, even though I know it would help, even when I'm not being tempted, i don't want to get up in the morning and renew my mind. I don't want to drive in the car on my way to work and renew my mind. Why? Why don't we, if we know it's an investment, like putting money in the bank that we need someday? it's an investment in a future situation. In our cases, that temptation that makes me want to go outside of what is best for me, outside God's best Why wouldn't I want to make that investment early and often, when I'm not facing that temptation, when I am in a place where I'm most on God's page, why do we hear so many people say I have been struggling with even wanting to renew my mind?
Speaker 3:Why do you think? I think we have a lot of fear. I think we fear what if this is yet going to be another failure of mine I have failed with everything else that I've tried And what if this actually doesn't work? And what if it's going to land on me as another failure? Another fear might be what if this ruins my relationship with the Lord, Because it doesn't really work? What if it affects my relationship with other people? What if I won't know who I am? What if it will affect my identity or all the things that I believe for so long? if this doesn't work, I think we deal with a lot of fear.
Speaker 1:I'm sure you're right. I'm sure fear is. The question is, what are we most afraid of? And sometimes I think, if we go deep enough, the fear is just really basic. I don't know When we think of I'm afraid of changing my relationship with people, of it changing my relationship with God. I'm afraid of what it might mean in my life. Is there a core belief that I have that I need to expose? We've been talking about this. In a way, we're kind of going back and forth in circles. Is there a point at which we have to just do it? Yep.
Speaker 3:I totally, I absolutely believe that Is that not being gentle enough with ourselves. No, i think that the more I push back and the more I allow myself to push back, push back against surrender, push back against letting God have his way with my heart, push back against the possibility of change, the more I push back, i think that my heart hardens toward the Lord. What helps me is when I am focused on the Lord, not myself. What helps me is when I am in his word daily. What helps me is when I am intentional about praise and gratitude. What helps me is when I spend time quiet before him, in humility. Those are things that really help me, help my want to, and I find that if my focus is more on myself, there's a part that absolutely I need to be compassionate toward myself, absolutely, and I have needs and those are very real and important. But there is a point, like you said, heidi, where I have to take that step in faith and just do it And that is what God's calling me to, and he puts out his hand and I have to grab hold of it and just trust him. That's where that step of faith comes in. And that's not easy, especially when we've been burned a lot, where we've been hurt a lot, where we have had trouble trusting God because of what he's allowed in our lives. That's not easy. And he puts his hand out and says Trust me, take that step of faith. He won't force me, he won't force me. But there is a point where I have to step out The trick is.
Speaker 1:I think of Job saying though he slay me, yet will I trust him. And I think of Jesus though he was led as a lamb to slaughter, he didn't revile in return, even though he was reviled. There are times when trusting God is dangerous, dangerous to my human understanding of what is safe and right and good. Human understanding is the focus there. I think God's ways are not my ways, and I guess you know where I land. as we've been talking about this, i've been made aware of some of the things that God has kind of testified to my heart that if I keep my life, gain my life, but it's at the expense of having that intimate relationship with God, i've lost everything. really, I think God wants me to live as though my own life is not worth clinging to for the sake of whatever he may call me to I mean Paul says in Philippians that the very things he took pride in his education, all these accolades that he'd received as a young man, he counted as rubbish compared to the surpassing greatness of knowing Christ Jesus, my Lord. And in fact he said he wanted to know him and the fellowship of sharing in his sufferings so that he could somehow grasp ahold of that resurrection from the dead. I don't think well, and I think too Hebrews 12, that says it's the passage where we're surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses. So let us throw off the sin that encumbers and anything that entangles us and run with perseverance the race marked out for us. There's. I think it's verse four of Hebrews 12 that then says you have not suffered so much as to the point of shedding your blood. I'm challenged by those because I want my life to be cushy. Even the questions that I started with in this podcast episode, kind of were grabbing hold of that. I want the easy life. I mean I would never say that, but I'd say well, sure, i want the easy life. I know that that's in there somewhere, but it's not what I'm going to grab ahold of for all I'm worth and say I deserve, because that's not true, and I know that's not true, but there's something inside of me that does wanna hang onto that and somehow live the crucified life. At the same time, i can reserve this little pocket of comfort for me, and I just don't know that the two can exist. Am I surrendered hands wide open to the Lord, or am I not?
Speaker 3:I think that the world very much feeds us, feeds us the belief that, yes, life should be easier. Over that next hill, life will be easier. After you pass this challenge, you will have put in your time and things will get easier soon. That season of easy is coming. You just gotta get past all these other things. And that is not true. That is not true. And it actually helps me to say to myself Christina, this life was never meant to be easy. That is not in the Bible. God did not say that. Because I This world you will have trouble, says Yeah. I mean. The Bible actually says you're gonna have trouble, expect it. If you're not having it today, it's gonna come, tomorrow It's. You are going to have trouble, you are going to suffer, and that's a really I mean, that's hard to grapple with. I don't want to, you don't want to. Nobody wants to suffer, nobody wants to be in pain or struggle or be grieving or any of these things, and yet God invites us to invite him into that. And what does that look like? That's not easy. It doesn't look like ease. It's hard. It's really really hard. But I have found that and I keep. I continually am learning, i'm continually in progress with this, but I find that in my most difficult moments, that's when I see who God is in a way that I can't otherwise. That's really, really hard. It is so, so hard. And as I say that, i'm thinking of some of those moments in my life, even in the last two years or so, when was I the most afraid? When was I in the deepest despair? When was I feeling the most hopeless? When did I feel most at the end of myself? That seems to be as hard as it is. If I allow myself to open my heart during that time. when I'm feeling that way, that is when I see the most clearly who God is. And I'm not, like I said, i'm not minimizing how hard that is. It is really really hard, but it is sweet. It is sweet in the end. It's really really sweet. Those are moments of almost like pure surrender, because you just can't. You just can't do it on your own. You can't do it on your own, and when God meets us there, wow, that is an amazing, amazing time.
Speaker 1:I get encouragement from the scripture, and I don't remember where it is. I think it's in Hebrews somewhere that says Jesus himself learned obedience. I don't know what that means. I just know that it's there and that it encourages me. And then Paul said he learned contentment, And so I know that if the two of them could learn contentment and obedience, I can learn contentment and obedience, And I think that's what their example is there for is to encourage me that, yes, I can, I can learn obedience and contentment too. And so I guess I come back around to is there this primal thing inside of me that says, oh my gosh, change is threatening my survival? And there may be, but. But what I can do is speak truth to that part of me That may not want to. I mean, it's like the logic brain has gone offline, maybe. But if I have spoken truth enough times when I'm not in that place, I know that that is more likely, that mind that is renewed is more likely to kick into gear. Maybe there's a third kind of mind. You know, not just the, the prefrontal logical cortex wait, not just the prefrontal cortex logical brain, and not just the amygdala survival brain, but there's the renewed mind. Yeah, I like that Yeah and and, yeah. Maybe that can come in and override all the logic and all of the survival tendencies and speak truth into that moment that if, if God chooses for me to suffer, It is going to give me an experience of sharing in the sufferings of Christ, which somehow he will make a sweet thing If I believe in for it and stay in the game.
Speaker 3:Well, and if we believe that anything is possible with God, then yeah, absolutely, god can do anything he wants with our thoughts, with our mind, with our brain, with our heart. For me, i feel like I am so often challenged with this idea of God what you have for me right now, is it your best? you say that it is. Do I really believe that? is it your best? And then I talked to somebody who is suffering. I talked to somebody you know different people that are suffering, people that are struggling with really, really tough stuff, and how do they see that? how? I mean, i'm fascinated by it. I feel like it's something that I'm drawn to is listening about this topic I want to hear I was listening just yesterday to Johnny Eric Santata. She's one of my absolute favorites on this topic. She talks about suffering all the time and she has suffered every day for almost her entire life, deep, deep suffering. And she talks about this great intimacy with the Lord and how God uses her suffering to touch others for him, and we see it, and she touches my heart, he touches my heart through her, and you know all kinds of people. Anyway, that's a topic that I grapple with often And it's hard for me to believe it. It's really a hard one. It really challenges me. And yet I know like I think about. I think about moments at the Alzheimer's Center, you know, with my parents, with my mom, when I felt so completely at the end of myself, in so much despair, and I think about the ways that God met me there during that time. They're both in heaven now And we had, we had like a 10 year journey with Alzheimer's disease And I think about some of those moments and there's been a lot more in the last couple of years but it's like, wow, is that his best? and is his best? does his best not have so much to do with my suffering, but more with the way that he is suffering and the intimacy that can be built there? Is that what he's going after? is that what his best really is? you know, whether I'm suffering this way or that way or this way, and the intimacy is the goal for him. That is his best for me. And, boy, that's hard, that is hard to wrap my brain around, it's hard to wrap my heart around and it's even harder to step out in faith and say, okay, lord, okay, meet me in the suffering, do what you want with my heart, with my mind, and I'm going to step out in faith and just trust you and let you, and that's that deep level of surrender And it's hard.
Speaker 2:It is so hard.
Speaker 1:We want to make God in our own image, but he's made us in his. Yes, we want to understand him and if, frankly, if I could understand God, he would be too small.
Speaker 3:Right right.
Speaker 1:And so really, when it comes back to it, why is this journey so hard? Why do I resist so much? It's probably got something to do with one of the many things we talked about today.
Speaker 2:Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what do you all think we would love to hear from you come on over to revwithinteam, that's R-E-V within dot T-E-A-M, and talk to us about the podcast. I would love to. Both Christina and I would love to hear what you have to say about these things.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And what? what do you think of the practical suggestions of renewing your mind when you're not in that point of temptation of praising God, of giving him gratitude, all of the things that Christina came up with?
Speaker 2:That I learned from you, miss Heidi. Well, we hope you have been encouraged today. Be sure to come to see us at revwithinteam. We would love to see you there. Thank you for joining us for a difficult topic today. We want to do next time on Revelation Within Oh, and let's go. Same bat channel and same bat show. Only different things, different things. Bye for now.